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ULTIMA NOTICIA!!!! CERTIFICADO DE OBAMA ES TOTALMENTE VERDADERO. NACIO EN HAWAII.

Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

By Amy Hollyfield
Published on Friday, June 27th, 2008 at 5:21 p.m.


UPDATE, July 2009: It's been a year since we published this article, and Obama's birth certificate is still the subject of much speculation. So on July 1, 2009, we published two Truth-O-Meter items exploring new aspects of the controversy. In one, we explored whether a White House spokesman lied when he claimed Obama's birth certificate is actually posted on the Web,  and the other one examined whether a bill in Congress would protect Obama from having to release his birth certificate.

Here's our original story as published in June 2008:

SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.

It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.

"As a concerned citizen, I'm wondering if there isn't something fishy going on with the Obama certificate."

"I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate' you were sent."

"Something doesn't smell right."

Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.

"You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!"

At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.

And you can't help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they're being tricked?

Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.

Birth Certificate

As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver's license record from the Illinois Secretary of State's office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.

Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."

The ultimate document we sought was Obama's birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren't public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.

On June 13, 2008, Obama's campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won't go away: He's Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

"It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

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Then the firestorm started.

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar's signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn't the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document "June 2007?" (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There's no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It's clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

 

• • •

At PolitiFact.com, we're all about original sources. We don't take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it's identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate's authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.

• • •

Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.

He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB's investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.

"We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy," Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. "And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons."

Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.

"I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors," Goelz said. "We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event."

Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.

"Online, they can be almost anything," he said. "They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be."

 

• • •

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama's birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

"I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature," Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. "Because they scanned the front … you wouldn't see those things."

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? "When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it."

Still, she acknowledges: "I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents."

 

• • •

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact's conclusion that the candidate's name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn't authentic.

And that's true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.

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El Certificado de nacimiento sigue envuelto en el mas absoluto misterio, babygirl.

La "primera copia" que presento el demagogo negro magico tenia discrepancias. Segun tu articulo el negro presento una "segunda copia" mejorada, pero eso no cambia el hecho de que el "Original" sigue oculto.

De cualquier modo ahora el asunto esta en la corte, aunque estoy seguro de que de alguna forma volveran a encubrir la verdad, babygirl.

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SI CLARO, OCULTAN LA VERDAD PORQUE TU LO DICES, SI FUERA UN REPUBLICANO EL QUE ESTUVIERA EN EL TAPETE, ESTUVIERAN DEFENDIENDOLO A CAPA Y ESPADA,,,,JAJAJA, NO, CIELITO, OBAMA NO TIENE NINGUN PROBLEMA CON EL CERTIFICADO, QUE USTEDES LO DIGAN ES UNA COSA Y QUE LA VERDAD ES LA QUE PREVALECE ES OTRA, SO,
 
TE SUGIERO QUE TU Y EL IDOLO TUYO, EL FARSANTE DEL JUANALALOCA, HAGAN UNA ESPECIE DE REVOLUCION NO-VIOLENTA PARA IR EN CONTRA DEL YA ABURRIDISIMO ASUNTILLO DEL CERTIFICADO DE OBAMA, Y CONSIGAN GENTES PARA IR A UNA MARCHA A WASHINGTON Y BERREAR COMO LOS CHIVOS ALLI FRENTE A LA WHITE HOUSE A VER SI ALGUIEN SE DIGNA A PRESTARLES ATENCION PARA DESPUES SIMPLEMENTE DECIRLES, BYE BYE FOOLS, GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA
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Escrito por scaramouche:
SI CLARO, OCULTAN LA VERDAD PORQUE TU LO DICES
 

No porque yo lo digo, sino porque la tecnologia digital es tan avanzada que se pueden falsificar copias de cualquier cosa con la misma facilidad que te puedes comer Whoper en Burger King, babygirl. 

La unica forma de dar por terminado este asunto es permitir el acceso al certificado de nacimiento "original" , y las autoridades hawaianas no lo permiten.

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SI FUERA UN REPUBLICANO EL QUE ESTUVIERA EN EL TAPETE, ESTUVIERAN DEFENDIENDOLO A CAPA Y ESPADA,,,,JAJAJA,


Estas equivocada, babygirl. Hay republicanos moderados que son tan pateticos como los sUcialdemocRATAS y me encantaria verlos revolcados en la misma letrina.

Si el demagogo negro hubiera sido conservador evidentemente yo lo hubiera apoyado, estaria de acuerdo con sus politicas y aun cuuando dandote el beneficio de la duda quiza hasta hubiera tratado de encubrir el escandalo, pero el hecho de que hipoteticamente yo hubiera podido hacer algo mal no justifica que tu lo hagas, babygirl :cara_chicle:

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EL REGIMEN DE OBAMA- FRAUDE, TRAICION, Y MARXISMO- NO LO QUE EL PUEBLO ESPERABA!!!

Fraud, Treason and Marxism - Not What Voters Had In Mind!
Written by JB Williams
Wednesday, 15 July 2009 05:31
Despite leftist media attempts to prop up their failing messiah, Obama’s approval numbers are setting new records as the fastest freefall from popularity that any US president has ever experienced.

As Obama’s policies for “change” continue to document right-wing accusations of Marxism and anti-American global thug-ism at American taxpayer expense, even many who voted for this nonsense are losing hope in their leader. Only a handful of naïve college kids, career deadbeats and press corps Marxists are still chanting the campaign mantra... “Change!” - and boy are they about to get it in a huge dose!

On Obama’s first day in office, the nation was largely optimistic about the unknown messiah. 44% “strongly approved” while only 16% of the nation “strongly disapproved.” That’s before Obama started dismantling the Constitutional Republic at fever pace.

Less than six months later, only 28% “strongly approve” while those who “strongly disapprove” has skyrocketed from 16% to 36%, leaving Obama with a net -8% approval rating as of this writing, according to Rasmussen Reports.

Charges of Fraud and Treason Take Hold

Obama’s momentary popularity is vanishing faster than his birth records. Just wait until Americans figure out that Obama is a complete fraud.

After numerous legal efforts to force Obama to become the transparent leader he promised to be, a Federal Judge in California, who happens to be a former Marine, is the first Judge in the country to accept his oath to uphold the Constitution by hearing the mountain of mounding evidence that suggests Obama is not eligible for the office he currently holds.

U.S. District Judge David O. Carter ruled in a hearing today that her case will move forward.

Judge Carter stated “as a former Marine, I recognize the importance of having a constitutionally qualified president.”

While no attorneys appeared on Obama’s behalf, several members of the U.S. Attorney’s office in California were in attendance, and sought to intervene on behalf of Obama over his actions before becoming president.

The judge ordered them to accept service of the lawsuit immediately and then continued the case to an unannounced date. Taitz told WorldNetDaily, “For first time, we have a judge who’s listening.”

How fitting that a Marine be the one to lead the charge against an unconstitutional usurper-in-chief. Even better that he can do it in a court of law instead of at gun point, as it had to be done in Honduras.

It’s also fitting that a Russian immigrant, who sought freedom and liberty in the land of milk and honey, be the self-made lawyer to lynch a fraudulent president operating as a tyrannical Marxist dictator in the Oval Office.

In a related story, WND reports White House spokesman belittles WND reporter,
won’t confirm ‘birth hospital’ letter. - Still, New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn’t properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

Numerous other initiatives, including a criminal charge of “treason” filed by retired Navy Commander Walter Fitzpatrick and the Citizen Grand Jury indictments across the country accusing Obama of “high crimes” against the U.S. are gaining steam.

Nowhere to Run

Obama has been running from his entire past for years now. His birth, college and passport records remain under lock and key. As the filibuster-proof Democrat congress works to force all U.S. national security secrets out into the public venue, they continue to provide cover for their messiah and run interference for the unconstitutional resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

But sooner or later, they will run out of room to run and places to hide. Their efforts to deflect public attention by attacking the U.S. intelligence community could be the final fuse that ignites a political implosion of cataclysmic proportions.

If you are going to blanket label a group “liars” and “terrorists,” you might want to pick a group other than the CIA. If anyone knows Obama’s secrets, it’s these folks...

Now that Orly Taitz has her toe in the door of the judicial system, it’s only a matter of time before the past of the not-so-transparent resident becomes public. When it does, all hell is going to break loose...

Obama’s co-conspirators

When Obama goes down for defrauding an entire nation, an entire world for that matter, he’s going to take a lot of fellow conspirators with him.

Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, and many - many more, all knew that Obama did not meet constitutional requirements for the Oval Office. Yet to feather their own Marxist nests, they all went along with the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people.

Not one of them will be able to step into the Oval Office when Obama is removed by the Constitution he sought to destroy.

Three Questions for Sotomayor

America needs ONE “constitutionally conscious” member of congress to ask Sotomayor the following three questions during her Supreme Court nomination hearings...

What do you believe the Founders meant by - “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

Do the American people have the right to demand proof of a president’s constitutional eligibility for the highest elective office in our land?
What should we do with a president who refuses to prove that he meets those constitutional requirements?

If Sotomayor cannot or will not give direct constitutionally based answers to these three simple questions, should she be allowed to sit on the highest court in our country, the final wall in the defense of our Constitutional Republic and the freedom it has protected for 233 years?

Is there a single member of congress with the constitutional backbone to ask this nominee the most important questions of this generation? Where’s Ron Paul when we really need him?

Send these questions to your representatives and ask them to be the one that steps forward with the questions that will not only sink Sotomayor, but the leftist regime currently destroying our country!

Surely there is ONE member of congress with the guts to ask these questions... What kind of country do we have, if there isn’t?

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How little we know about Obama
Exclusive: Joseph Farah analyzes president’s remark about being born in Hawaii


Posted: July 15, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

By Joseph Farah


He’s been president for six months.

But it’s amazing how little we know about Barack Obama.

This was illustrated by a WND story last week about where Obama was born. Even this is a mystery.

The story pointed out how many references there were to a birth at Queen’s Medical Center in Honolulu. That was the claim of a United Press Internal story. It was the claim of Snopes.com – a little website that members of Congress have frequently cited as their authority that Obama is indeed a “natural born citizen.” Even Obama’s own official website retained for months a posting from About.com making the claim for Queen’s.

But all those claims ran counter to one made by Obama himself in January, when he allegedly wrote a letter to another Honolulu hospital, Kapi’olani Medical Center, saying he was born there.

Barack Obama states in this purported letter from him on what appears to be White House stationery that he was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women and Children in Honolulu. The letter was posted by the medical center for nearly six months on its website and used for fundraising before electronically hidden once WND disclosed it was not an actual paper letter, but merely HTML coding. The hospital and White House now refuse to confirm that a real document even exists.

Of course, the only living person in the world who claims to have been present for Obama’s birth is his paternal grandmother, Sarah Obama, who says it took place in Mombasa, Kenya.

Let the world know you stand with the Constitution and transparency. Display the “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” magnetic bumper sticker.

Who you gonna believe?

Well, you won’t get any help from the state of Hawaii or any of the hospitals there. Both of the Honolulu facilities have steadfastly refused to confirm or deny the birth of the first black president.

Within hours of the posting of that WND story, “facts” began to change. Snopes and UPI changed their stories.

When a WND story was published a month ago pointing out that Obama’s “certification of live birth” was not acceptable even in a Hawaiian homesteading program open only to natives, “policies” changed.

Of course, you can change the written record, you can change policies, you can change your mind, but, so far, no one has proposed changing the Constitution.

It still says today what it has always said since it was first ratified: To become president of the United States, you must be a “natural born citizen.”

Isn’t it about time we asked for proof?

Why is it considered “kooky” to do so?

How come even members of Congress promoting legislation to ensure future candidates for president are constitutionally eligible are ostracized and ridiculed as “birthers”?

Even Obama himself seems to be getting self-conscious about the lingering questions about where he was born.

While in Moscow recently, he cracked: “Good morning. It is a great honor for me to join you at the New Economic School. Michelle and I are so pleased to be in Moscow. And as somebody who was born in Hawaii, I’m glad to be here in July instead of January.”

(Column continues below)

What an odd thing to say.

Notice he didn’t say, “As somebody who grew up in Hawaii, I’m glad to be here in July instead of January.” That would actually have made sense. No one becomes conditioned to climate based on where they were born. They get conditioned to climate based on where they spent time.

But, then again, Obama didn’t grow up exclusively in Hawaii. He also grew up in Indonesia.

Do you feel like I do that this issue is beginning to reach “critical mass”?

Do you agree with me that the cover-up can’t go on forever?

I don’t know where Obama was born. I have never suggested I do, despite many claims to the contrary by critics who don’t read very carefully or listen very carefully and who don’t really care about facts.

But I’m not sure who does know.

Isn’t it time to find out?

What is Barack Obama hiding?

All he has to do is call the hospital and authorize it to confirm his birth. Period. End of story. Controversy over.

What’s the downside of doing that? Can someone tell me?

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NO, CIELITO, OBAMA NO TIENE NINGUN PROBLEMA CON EL CERTIFICADO...
 

Si este es el caso porque siguen sacando copias y no permiten el acceso al original para que los expertos puedan examinarlo e investigarlo...

Acaso en tu criterio hay alguna razon logica para mantener el certificado de nacimiento original oculto?.

Si mal no recuerdo en la primera copia que mosraron habia un problema con la firma del medico que atendio el parto.

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Escrito por scaramouche:
 
TE SUGIERO QUE TU Y EL IDOLO TUYO, EL FARSANTE DEL JUANALALOCA, HAGAN UNA ESPECIE DE REVOLUCION NO-VIOLENTA PARA IR EN CONTRA DEL YA ABURRIDISIMO ASUNTILLO DEL CERTIFICADO DE OBAMA, Y CONSIGAN GENTES PARA IR A UNA MARCHA A WASHINGTON Y BERREAR COMO LOS CHIVOS ALLI FRENTE A LA WHITE HOUSE A VER SI ALGUIEN SE DIGNA A PRESTARLES ATENCION PARA DESPUES SIMPLEMENTE DECIRLES, BYE BYE FOOLS, GO HOME AND TAKE A NAP. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA


Con este infantil y perretoso comentario que no merece respuesta estropeaste lo que hasta ahora habia sido un legitimo planteamiento, babygirl :cara_chicle:
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